The Ultimate Guide to RV Connectivity: How to Stay Online on the Road

Hello everybody and welcome to the RV Lifestyle and Repair Club live event. We're gonna talk about RV connectivity. I'm Dave S Solberg, your host. I've got Beth and Jeff from Pace International, and uh we've used quite a few of your products over the last few years. Beth, tell me a little bit about Pace.

Yeah, well, I'm happy to be back here for a 2nd time. Uh, Pace has been around for over 40 years, and we've been in the RV technology space, so delivering connectivity is relatively newer on the grand. of everything we've done, but we've always been delivering something, um, to that effect. So Travelify is a little bit newer of our products. We've got a lot to share with you today.

um, we'll hopefully answer a lot of great questions, but I'm excited to bring Travelify a paste branded product to the marketplace that really changes connectivity game, um, for everyone in the RV space. Brought Jeff along. Jeff's the technician, and, uh, we, we'll talk about the pretty stuff and then he can get into the real meat, meat and bones of things. So Jeff, thanks for coming in. Uh, I've had a chance, we're we're gonna talk today about, uh, cell phones.

We're gonna talk, uh, cell phone signals. We're gonna talk about internet connectivity, and then we'll talk about satellite systems. And so let's start with the internet. And uh you know, I remember when I first started traveling around the country I trained dealers for 5 years and I'd spent 6 to 8 weeks and then there was no connectivity whatsoever. Some campgrounds had a plug-in back then and there was no streaming and you know of course when I rode the horses in to get the training done back then but now, uh, so it's really come a long ways.

I've had a chance to personally use the, uh, the journey, not this journey version, but in the Rocky Mountain National Park, uh, down. In Phoenix, Arizona, in the mountains, uh, I did use it in the Death Valley and nothing works in Death Valley, so that's, that's, uh, kind of interesting, but let's talk about, uh, the connectivity today. Even, you know, a lot of people, and I do seminars all over the country and one of them is RV connectivity and more people are traveling for work, more people are, are getting out and want streaming. They want to be able to stay connected and, uh, talk a little bit about what Travelify has to offer here. Yeah, well.

I think you hit it right on the head. I mean, after COVID, especially, uh, people's lifestyles change so whether that's where they're working, where they're wanting to travel, um, you know, you have people getting out on the weekends more traveling more, you've got full timers, you've got traveling nurse careers and otherwise things like that. So staying connected is really, uh, a huge thing we all found out very quickly in the pandemic how overloaded systems get say if you're at a campground, um, how much of an issue connectivity was. So, um, as Travelly came to the. Picture very closely around all of this time, uh, very fortunately we were able to offer our first product which was the, the journey one that delivered exactly what they need.

It's got up to 5 devices that you can connect, so really the basics of everything that you need, um, and connects to multiple networks that's the key. So as you're traveling around, you're finding desolate areas of, you know, no connectivity for certain cell phone carriers or what have you, they needed something that wasn't the park Wi Fi because we know that's not gonna be a reliable situation. Um, and for people that had to work and that was how they were getting around and in the handling, um, especially lockdown, this was a necessary product for them and I think it came at a perfect time and we were really able to solve that solution for them. Well, even today, you know, when I talk to people at the seminars and, and the questions that I get in. The campground has a router that's usually in the office and if you're not within 100 ft of that, the signal is pretty much horrible.

And then people say, well, I'm just gonna get a booster or uh what are they also repeaters or, you know, there's several names for them and what happens is it actually cuts the signal in half and it makes it worse the more people that have this, um, so talk a little bit about, you know, what, what are the options and Jeff, I'm gonna let you get in here. What are the options that people normally have for connectivity out in the industry? Yeah, a lot of times you'll you'll see RVs come equipped with some sort of Wi Fi repeater from the factory, um, otherwise, unfortunately the users pretty much on their own, uh, sometimes if they rely on their cell phone you can um find various companies that make cell phone or cellular boosters along those lines and then what's really come into play nowadays are um routers. Everyone has some sort of. Router offering and what's big now is the uh the cellular router so it's something you can put a data plan on and take with you to have internet on the road basically.

OK, so we got a question that came in from John. It says how do Travel Fly plans compare to using my phone's hotspot. So before we answer that, that that's the next portion I was gonna get to, uh, you know, a lot of people that I've had at the seminar say, well, I've got, you know, this plan with a hotspot and I got this plan with a hotspot. And you know to get the data that they need, the price is pretty expensive and also the coverage is gonna vary wherever you go. So talk a little bit about the different um data plans and I can pull up here.

I think the biggest challenge with data plans is that there's a lot of stipulation. So whether it's your phone carrier or otherwise, you know, you're running into throttling, you're running into, you know, shared bandwidth, you're running into a lot of things that are gonna limit that actual connectivity. Um, and then you're running off your phones, your phone's heating up, you're, you know, overwhelming that itself so there's a lot of stuff that is hard about having it, um, on your phone. It's great because it's all in one plan. You can flip it on and off.

They'll be like, you know, add $10 a month for this, but again, you're limited by a lot. So depending on, you know, the, the needs of what you're looking for, um, our plans start at $19 and you know, go all the way up to $129 for an. Limited a truly unlimited plan, uh, the great thing about that is that you can really tailor it to what you need. I go, you know, off with my kids and we're traveling a little bit. I'm not on my computer all day, but they're watching their movies, you know, we're on a 25 gig plan, never gone over it, um, you know, and that's, you know, $29 a month so it's really, really reasonable, um, the people, if you get all the way up there, if you're comparing some of the bigger options it's really in.

Line with all of it, um, and you're just measuring your true unlimited connectivity with where you are most of the time um and what that offering looks like. Well, I, I found too that if I use my phone as a hotspot, it dies pretty quickly, you know, if I'm just calling with it and I don't ever answer, which my wife says I don't without your phone or your TV or your computer, right, so these, you know, I, I've had this one on. Uh, it went for almost a full day without having to recharge it, and, and it just it works great and this is also a power like device as well with the the journey going it's a new product, so you're, you're not having to charge it and then use it and recharge it. It's all happening at the same time. Yeah, let's pull that one out.

So we've got the two different uh versions here, actually 3 different versions, but, um, that one is the portable and that should be charged up and ready to go. We just hook this on. Yeah, get the light to come. The great thing about this one is it comes um hooked up to 10 devices. So if you have, I have 3 kids, so 5 devices goes pretty quick.

10 is really pretty reasonable for most people in most situations usually you've got a computer, a TV, a cell phone, a tablet, you know, a couple things like that. So you really have pretty much all you need in a basic, um, product like this, OK, so. Jeff, tell us a little bit about the different, you know, the difference between this versus, you know, some of the other products where you, you pick a plan or, or a provider and this one you've got the top 5, pretty much or tell, tell us a little bit about what it does, what it finds. Yeah, basically we program these things to be able to pick from multiple networks so you're with the data plan that you pick, you're not just stuck to one carrier. It's going to go out and whatever area you're in, it's gonna automatically connect to the next closest carrier that you have in your region, basically.

So um when you turn it on, it's gonna take a minute or two. It's gonna find the signals. It's gonna find what towers are in the area and then as soon as it does that, it's gonna connect and our plan is gonna let you talk on that. On that network, whatever network it may be in the area, the plan allows you to connect to it, basically, yeah, OK, um, I did a test of this when this one first came in, like I said, I've used this one all over the country and, and it finds, you know, at one point it was Verizon, another point it was T-Mobile, so I hooked up this one on a 5G and what I really like is your tech support, um. That could have been you.

So, yes, well, and what happened is I, I hooked it up in the office and we've got a brick office with this pretty um. You know, enclosed, and uh, I was getting, I think it was T-Mobile. I was getting 4G because I'm in a very small town. We don't have 5G towers except to get way over in here and I was getting like a 14 megabyte download speed and it was a little bit, I mean that'll still work, um, you know, and what I found is that if you're streaming, that's kind of when you start looking at some of the, you know, you want, you want a little bit better download speed and. Um, we were trying to get a a basketball game.

My dad's a big Iowa State fan and so we were trying to watch a basketball game and it was on ESPN Plus, and it was buffering in his facility he was at because we're at 14, we found it was on 4K. So there's a difference in what you're, you know, what you're what you're watching, what you're streaming, and so forth, but I hooked this one up and I called tech support and we went through when we switched from Verizon to T-Mobile, we tried a variety of different ones to get a little better bandwidth. I took it home and I was getting 140 megabytes. So this is kind of interesting here. We hooked this up.

We're inside a building. We've got a full metal grid above us here. Uh, we're in Minneapolis and I'm gonna pull this up and do a speed check test for you. So we just go to speedtest.net and we're on a Verizon 5G, um, out of Minneapolis here and I'm gonna do a go and we're gonna have. This will take just a little bit.

Should I have a drum roll or? And you know, like we had a conversation before this was very surprising to, to, I was, you know, not even sure what kind of signal was gonna come out of a building like this, so, uh, it speaks a lot to the power that it has and capabilities. So we're at 102 downloads here when I first hooked this up, we were at almost 300 and so what I'm assuming is is that now that we're right close towards noon time, we're getting more and more people that are maybe in the area here a little bit. Uh, Jeff, talk a little bit about 5G versus 4G. What's the difference in those?

Yeah, so 4G has been around since the early 2000s. Um, it was a huge leap from what we call 3G, but 4G really got us into um having high bandwidth, um, speeds that support all your major internet applications, um. You know, the, the thing about 4G is that it's nationwide coverage. It's been built out completely by now. So, um, the next big step, and this is a huge step, is 5G.

5G allows us to, it has a completely different type of radio communication. Um, that allows the speed and the, um, the connectivity and the latency to be way better than 4G ever was. um, so basically what we have now is cutting edge technology 5G. You get basically speeds that you would find at home on a landline. You can get on the road with you now with our 5G XTR Pro.

OK, so we got a couple more questions here. Um, Mike says, can I install any of these systems myself or do I need a technician? They are designed to be self-install. Basically you just need to have power and put the antennas on. I just installed it.

If I can do it, anyone can do it exactly, yep, you know, we have our basic hotspot which is battery powered. You just turn it on and activate the service, um. Are there two, basically those are router class devices those you just plug them into power, put the antennas on, and then turn them on and sign up for service and you're good to go. Yeah, well, I think the difference between the two, you know, this one here, um, I travel a lot. I go to shows.

I do seminars and I get into some of these buildings and you know they don't either don't have it or you gotta pay for this. I pull this up and. I don't have to carry something like this around that that goes in my backpack and it's easy. Airports is easy. Pull it out.

This to me is more of a not permanently mounted but more, you know, something you would put inside an RV and and use it in here and then you've got um a little better I think um reception. Off of this typically they put the antennas and and so forth um so you would basically just plug this in. I do like the fact this also has we can see on the backside here and this one I think is already on the front yeah talk talk a little bit about being able to connect on the backside of this, yeah, so when we jump into the router class of product. That we have, um, they have built in Ethernet and WAN ports, so basically you can connect things that you would have in your home office. You can take them with you and connect them on the road, make your own hardwired Ethernet network, so a local area network basically these devices will support that along with giving you that internet to both Wi Fi and wired devices all at the same time.

And a lot of people that work out of their RVs will have towers that they'll use, you know, and permanently set up with uh an office, you know, a little bit because I have this for traveling, but I have a tower at home, so it's nice to plug that in. Um, the other thing about this then talk a little bit about. This guy here Yeah, so this is a new offering for us. This is our, uh, waveform brand antenna. Um, we sell it as a pairing for uh for users that have the XTR Pro 5G and it's designed to connect into the existing aerials on the antenna on the router itself.

And basically this is a unique offering where it has the ability for you to mount this outside the RV and basically get the best signal possible if you think the RV might be hampering your sign. Um, you can also move the antenna around, which you can't do with the router unless you know you're limited by the RV, but what this offers you is, uh, 3 different mounting options. You can even just use a magnetic base which it comes with. It makes it super simple to just slap on the roof or something and have an external antenna. Um, otherwise you could permanently mount it if you want to.

It's got a spigot type of tanna. You can ladder mount it. You can do a whole bunch of things with this flexible offering, um, to get you the best signal possible, um, with this combination because sometimes you will get into a, a place that there, you know, there isn't real good reception inside, you know, like you said, I'm surprised that here we got something in it. Uh, we did get a question that came in here from. Um, Paul, and I'm pretty sure my dad asked him to ask this because what is a hotspot?

My dad still has 12 blinking on his VCR I'm pretty sure and uh what is a router used for and will I need uh one or the other or both? It's definitely gonna, you know, depend on your situation. So for me, like I said, I travel with my kids all the time. I just have the journey go I am typically jumping on to check email, do some work, they're streaming their, you know, video on Netflix or whatever for a little while or on their tablets, um, so I'm not consuming a huge large amount of data like you said when you get into a streaming like constantly you're doing video calls, you're watching 4K TV. That's where you're really gonna need to think about the data um application but as far as the product application goes, if you're just a basic user, the, the journey go is fantastic.

The XTR and 5G both like you said are, you know, you have more robust needs, right? Like you have multiple devices that you're trying to connect to you're trying to, you know, set up that home office and do a little bit more, um, say you're on the road every single weekend or you're a full timer. You're gonna want that maximum connectivity output um so that's kind of where those other products come in I think for most basic users, you know, the hotspot is a very easy quick to, you know, start, stop, change, move around, um, even the plug and play, you know, routers are easy to move and. You know, take in and out of your RV, say you're, you know, coming in and out or using it at your home office. A lot of people use that their cabins or, you know, bringing up to their parents' house for the weekend or whatever that may be, um, it is very flexible in that nature.

Well, and you know, to get to his very first quote, what is a hot spot, you know that and that like I say, my, my dad would be going what. So in your home, you know, the first wave was you, you had the old uh computer and you had dial up, remember that bing bing you know and it was basically you had some kind of a hard line and even today you got a hard line that comes in whether it's um fiber or whatever they have in it and in your home it plugs in the back of your tower and you have internet for there. Well then all of a sudden we start traveling and we need something and you know, so the first step was a router. Like this what people were getting a signal from and then we started getting hotspots on phones and these so hotspot basically is a device whether it's your phone or this that is gonna take a wireless signal from one of the towers or somewhere and be able to provide you with the internet into that. So um you know computers got grab on to something in order to connect to the World Wide Web, right?

So like that's that, you know, immediate connection that's true, um. So let's see and or do, so basically, you know, in this question. With a router, what do I need, you know, so that's gonna give you a signal. This is gonna give you a signal. You need a power source.

That's really the main application for that, yeah, um, yep, and that one's gonna allow you to recharge it and be able to be a lot more portable. So then Sherry asked me how do I figure what plan you need? How many gigabytes? This is a great question, and you can check out our blog on Travelfy.com. Um, we've got a data estimator that helps, but we really gotta think about, you know, what kind of music video.

TV like what devices are connecting um on the data estimate estimator it asks a lot of those questions like how many hours a day are you doing that, um, to kind of give you a really good estimate but for example we have a great blog that's asking how long does 200 gigabytes last, um, and the question for most people it's more than plenty, right? um, like I said, I use the 25 gig plan and I'm kind of that weekend traveler they use it in the car on the way and all of that kind of stuff, um, the people that have unlimited, like I said, it's a great true unlimited plan you're not. Um, throttled by different things if you were using like your cell phone provider or something like that, but um you can pretty much do anything with um that data plan. So if you're on a like TV. The heavy streaming, I would say like video calls you're definitely gonna trend up towards that unlimited and honestly the unlimited you'll not go over so it's really kind of the better deal and I think most people kind of have that way, yeah, and I think you get used to it, you know, sometimes at the seminars I get somebody that hasn't gone out yet, you know, they're getting ready to go and they know they have to have something and then they ask you, well, how many.

Gigs do I need, you know, you can always go up, you know, like for example you'll be able to access the portal through your phone or through your computer, um, see where you're at on a data plan. It's not 100% like minute by minute, but um you'll be able to see where you're at, right? Sometimes people don't realize what their kids are doing or how many devices are connected, so sometimes they go through it faster and then they're like, why is it not working? A lot of times that's, that's why, but you can always call in and we can always bump up your plan and make sure you're covered, which brings up a good point. Um, you know, what if I only need to go out for, you know, I've got it at home already set up.

I'm gonna go out for the summer, you know. You don't have to buy a 2 year plan, right, so everything's month to month. So you go 30 days at a time. We get the question a lot like, can we use it just for the weekend? Of course you can use it just for the weekend.

The plan's going to last for 30 days, but a 2 gig plan, I mean that's plenty for a weekend, you know, and maybe you want even more for that one weekend depending on what you're doing, but. Um, that's sufficient enough even for the people that are just going out. $19 for a weekend is pretty well, and it does say here too you get 1 to 2 hours of uh HD streaming, 10 hours of browsing, you know, if you're just gonna do checking emails, browsing the internet, you know, I mean that's a cheap plan. I, I like I say, I've had many people that already have something through one of their phone providers and they're, they're spending. You know, way over $100 and with a real limited amount of it, you know, so it's, it's a pretty, pretty good, uh, plan here.

We've got another question let me come back to that. And you can always bounce around with plans too, for example, like, you know, you're gonna be gone every weekend in July and you wanna bump up to unlimited, but in August you're maybe only going one weekend um you've got that flexibility to change around your plan to whatever you need. OK, so Sherry asks again, is it a secure connection? Yes, absolutely. It creates its own, yeah, it creates its own Wi Fi network and it's passworded out of the box, so everything's already secured.

And um once you connect to it you're on your own Wi Fi network unless you share it with friends or family you're the only one that has access to that device and then the device itself connects to the uh the mobile network securely as well um and you're basically on your, your, your private little internet access with this device or any device that we offer, OK? And then, uh, Bruce asks how well does it work in Western Canada and Alaska? So I'm gonna go test that because I want to go to Alaska. No, have you done any testing in like Canada, for example? Is that?

Canada is a different, uh, different ball game because, um, it's, it's classified as international at that point. Um, the nice thing is actually we do, um, we do have a smaller, uh, data plan offering for Canadian or for Canada and Mexico actually, so you can buy specific plans that will give you um access uh to Canadian and Mexican networks so you can technically take it with you into those countries, um, as far as uh. Alaska is more advanced than people think now, um, as long as you're within the, the big city ranges, um, like Anchorage, Wasilla, things like that, um, you can certainly get, uh, um, you know, all the latest 4G and 5G networks up there now too we've definitely had people, um, you know, in Baja, Mexico is a very, very popular place, um, worked fantastic. They had the, the 4G product and. Had no issues whatsoever.

Yeah, well, and I, I have talked to several people that used it in Quartzite. Quartzite down in Arizona, that is a great big rock festival down there and there's 100,000 people in it and, uh, you know, still when you get that many people in one spot, you know, you're gonna have some drop in, in, uh. And the bandwidth, but, uh, you know, they still had great reception out of it and and loved it in fact a lot better than other plans so yeah that's something too I mean it's not, you know, a magical wand, right? Like there are still other factors like when there are that many people in a in a small area that will be impacted there's only so much bandwidth a tower can take at one time, um, you know, but for most situations like that's not something people have to deal with. OK.

Uh, then sure yes, if you decide on a plan and run out of in the middle of the month, can you up the plan? I think you, yep, you can go in and, and up it and, and like I say, you can start and stop if you only wanna, you know, if you're an RV for the summer, you don't want an entire year or two year plan when you already have something at home, um, but I have seen a lot of people that have dropped what they had at home. Yeah, and you find a lot of different applications for it, you know, like, um, I have a daughter in cheer and we're constantly going to 6 hours away and all these away or, um, at the cheer competition there's no Wi Fi and when you sit around a lot and you have 2 other children, it would, you know, it's imperative. I, you know, did it for a summer plan and then I just kept going because we use it all the time we find all sorts of, you know, we're at practice for 3 hours or whatever, things like that that makes sense. OK, so, uh, we have a, um, Greg asks.

Uh, there's a plan, a new product being advertised called Homey. They say that you buy it and there are no fees or monthly charges. Are you familiar with that or and how does it compare to Travelify? Yeah, I don't know if you can, you can probably elaborate on it too, but um, there's a lot of similar product offerings and there's a lot more tied to it. I will say one thing that we differentiate on is the fact that we've been in this RV industry for 40+ years, so we're not trying to like get you on this home product so we can, you know, hook you forever.

Like we're trying to offer a true RV solution that makes sense for this market. Um, in addition to that we've got, you know, an entire support team. So when you call in you've got a problem in my RV. This is the situation these people know this stuff inside it out and so you've got that application as well, um, in addition to those like pay as you go programs. So there's a lot of, uh, different features that Travel Fy brings to the table that providers offering similar, you know, type products, even looking, um, don't offer that same, same thing, yeah, and I have seen a few other ones that that have a.

You know, they claim to have a similar deal but you have to pick a network with that so you don't get to go into an area, you know, like here we're on Verizon. Back in Iowa I was on T-Mobile that would have happened to be the strongest one there so I don't have to rely on the fact that, you know, wherever I go I have to have this. Or know or know what it is you know if you're driving cross country right like it's gonna follow along and switch as those those needs change so you're not having to try to switch that yourself while you're driving. Good. So Dwight asks came in late, did this get recorded?

And unfortunately, yes. I'm just kidding. All right, so we're gonna move on to the next section. We're gonna talk a little bit about cell phone reception. And uh you know we don't have the product here but just kind of go over what you offer for cell phone boosting.

Now I, I was and I did use one of your products out in Death Valley and I had less than one bar at the not right in the but there was a, a hotel casino campground right out in the middle of nowhere. We were shooting video and uh I used one of your products and uh it got me up to the point at least I could get. Communicated occasionally. So tell me about what you guys offer. Yeah, so, um, if you go on Travel Fire, our website, um, or dish Outdoors.com, uh, you can find we do have accessories for the RV that are catered to, uh, dedicated to cell phone boosting, and cell phone boosting is basically, um, within FCC regulations you're you're you're uh able to.

Boost or capture signal and reboost it again in your local area. Um, so that's what a cell phone booster is going to do it's gonna go out and it's gonna grab all the signals in the area and then it's gonna reamplify it inside using another antenna that will cater to all your cellular devices that you have with you. And the goal is you're not necessarily going to see, you know, you're not always gonna see a huge signal increase. The goal, the basic, you know, premise of a cell phone booster is to just clear up the signal itself and stabilize the signal and so you can move around while it stays stationary and rebroadcasts what the local towers are giving you. So we do have accessories from a couple of different.

Um, the main one we like to use is Sure Call. Um, we also offer from uh, Wingard and King as well, um, but these are kits specifically developed for the RVer as well. Um, you can go and find home kits, things you can install, um, and, you know, industrial settings like that, but the whole premise here is that we do, you know, we offer you the cellular data side of things and we also offer the ability to boost signal. And it can complement our products, the uh the, the cellular routers, the hotspots, as well as your cell phone. It's not biased towards any device.

It's just there to try and give you some better signal in the area and smooth out what you do have. I mean, it's not gonna create signal, but it'll be smooth out what you have. And from what I, I use the Sure call and uh from what I saw in some of the um. Blogs and literature and stuff is that's pretty much the predominant one that emergency vehicles use as well your fire trucks, your, you know, police and so forth um and that and that really seemed to work very well, um, that I was using it. So then the next thing is we just talked about cell phones so we are gonna move to.

The dish satellite and I'll get this out of the way. Do we have another. We don't have any more questions that came in, so. This is not a hairdryer, right. Talk a little bit about the options for uh satellite um reception in in the RVs.

So satellite technology in and of itself, obviously you're moving away from cellular um, one of the reasons that dishes around and it's still predominantly used for like a premium television experiences there's a lot of places that cellular signal is not um. Available or it's not very strong, especially to produce video right like there's a lot of places that'll offer connectivity, you know, especially with um a product like that but the the television experience itself is a little bit different so these have been around forever. This technology really has not changed at all. I don't think we've had much new in the past probably 6 years. Um, but you know, Jeff mentioned before, you know, things that are meant, you know, for the RV, which is this particular product from Dish, um, it's their Wy receiver.

It's very similar to their other products like the hopper, um, it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles that the hopper has, but this is small, um, it's tested and like shake tested heat tested for the RV space, which is also what makes it very unique. Um, it's easy to work with some other accessories and we could talk about that, but it's a simple connection, right? One to the antenna and one to the TV, um, as long as there's a clear shot of the sky you can get that satellite signal, um, and you can move it around, you know, a lot of people these days are not installing them or having them installed on their RV, um, there's a 25 or 150. Foot Cox cable and you can move that around, put it on a picnic table that kind of thing for people like for example that you know are using um like a Starlink product for example and they're parked underneath a tree like they can't move their RV as easily as you can move an antenna um and so that's why I think people still really love this product um it's also on a pay as you go model so you don't have to. dish at home, um, you can just pay for the months that you want 30 days at a time um obviously anybody that does have dish at home as well, you'll get um the product or the outdoor service for only $5.

So, um, for the people that are kind of bouncing around, it's a perfect, um, solution for that. It's a real easy add on well and to break it down a little bit. In simple form, uh, you can get television reception by over the air antenna. Um, you know, you see most of them now are mounted with the, uh, Wingguard 360, which I believe you. Guys offer as well and that's just a, a large dome, not quite this size, but it will do 3 different locations, find all the towers that are around it.

I don't watch a lot of TV when I go RVing, but I wanna see the weather. I wanna see the news, you know, sometimes, especially in, uh, you know, metropolitan areas. I like seeing that early morning news station that talks about all the festivals. That's where you find the fun stuff. So you, you can also stream where you take a hotspot and you come into a smart TV.

Um, be able to stream and do Hulu or whatever the, the different versions are or the satellite here, um, you know what I like about the WE is the WE, what works in a, in a residential setting doesn't always work in an RV, you know, I see people that put residential refrigerators or the televisions they buy at the box stores and all of a sudden boom boom boom, bouncing down the road. You let them get 120 degrees in the summer when you're not using them. The WL-E is basically robust enough to be able to use inside an RV and uh like you said if you got a home version then $5 a month you get the dish, um, you get the WE with that and uh talk a little bit about um how this also can be set up if you do stream. Yeah, so it's great because it's got the applications that can help make some of the other things easier so you mentioned the off-air antenna. Um, there's an adapter that you can get that will pull the program guide so when you're going through your program screen and you're looking at all the channels and the programming options, it will pull in those, um, off air channels into that guide so there's a nice seamless integration you're not flipping switches and doing all these super manual things like we're past that, you know, there's a lot of advances in that um it also has a DVR capability as well which I think is over here.

Um, the cool thing about this is that you can record your channels like on your hopper if you have it at home or put other content on this DVR and then plug it in here. Um, you don't need the satellite set up at that point to actually watch that content, which is also nice if you are in a mobile RV or a situation maybe where it's not, um, getting the right signal you can pull in that DVR content and watch it without um having that done. Um, let's see what else has a Bluetooth adapter, um, so you can hook it to, you know, uh, an outdoor speaker, a headphone. I love the headphones. A lot of people, you know, you can watch your TV late at night without bothering anybody or you're streaming, you're wanting to watch a game, excuse me, and you know, having sound for everyone, um, to hear.

So that's a great option. And then the last one's the Wi Fi and this is kind of where all of these uh work together so anytime you have an Internet signal whether that be at the campground or Travel by product or otherwise, um you're able to connect to all of the other things, right? Your Netflix apps, the Pandora, and again all of that is in one. Um, you know, screens, so you're not again making all of these slips so it's really nice to be able to kind of integrate these technology pieces. A lot of people have both of these, right?

They have Internet needs and then they have, you know, their premium television needs and so they work very, very well together, um, and it eliminates a lot of switching and, um, you know, logging into all these different accounts and all of that kind of thing. Well, I have a friend that has an RV. And he has one of these systems. He's got a big screen TV on the outside, so he flips up the steel, and he loves the dish because he uses the Bluetooth in the back here and he goes to, uh, NASCAR races and he tailgates at football games and so he brings the TV up, puts this out in the front and what I like about the portable one. You know, and I get this a lot with, uh, even solar panels, you know, people say I wanna put all these solar panels on the top.

I don't put this up on the top. I don't wanna forget about it. Well, you get into a campground and you pretty much always wanna be in the shade, you know, especially even with solar because, you know, you're gonna raise the, uh, temperature on the inside of it. I can be underneath the tree. I can be in the shade and I can put this anywhere and get a signal and then just be able to hook it up, um, you know, usually every service center has a coax cable in there that will go up into your entertainment center, so it's, I mean, simple, simple to install, um, but he just then he likes the Bluetooth because he added two Bluetooth speakers to the outside hang out with this guy and that sounds great.

Gates at the ball games and he goes to the races and and uh does the pre-race stuff and um it is he's a hit yeah the the ultimate premium set up absolutely well and then we had to get rid of his old batteries and put new lithiums in because he had to run the generator before that but that was a whole another thing, yeah, so we have a couple more questions as the dish Wally work with any TV? Yeah, so I mean, as far as connecting to a TV, I'm assuming it, you know, brand wise or otherwise, you know, whether it's a smart TV or not, it's just through an HDMI cable, so you know you're normal. Well, even if you have, even if you have the, the old version, right, you can do the uh RGBs here. uh, this is the satellite in and uh. You don't have a coax cable, but I think almost any TV that has HDMI or the component, which is the the these pieces here will get it, um.

Some of the older versions had a coax even to go out, but I don't know. We, we actually do offer a converter that it's called an RF modulator that will support your oldest TV. Oh, quit trying to impress him. R like lift it. That's what they call them.

It's not my term. No, we do have options if you, if you have an absolutely, uh, you know, a vintage RV, we'll say we, we can get you hooked up with TV somehow. All right, captain, we need more RF modulators, OK, so. Uh, let's talk a little bit. Uh, we get a lot of questions about Starlink when I'm out on the road, and, you know, when it first came out, the, the disadvantage, and I don't mean to downgrade it, but you know, there wasn't a lot of connectivity.

I mean, you're, you're at places, but they've got, I don't know how many thousands of satellites up now, but give me a little bit of comparison between the Starlink and, and the, uh, what you would get with the dish or how you use that even with the other stuff. Yeah, I mean, I would say like the technology is the same right? it's both satellite right versus cellulite. I think that's the confusion that a lot of people come across is like what do I need and how does this work and do they work together and all of the things, right? The satellite technology like they're up in the sky, the cellular towers, they're not, right?

There's some different applications there uh a lot of people are using these technologies together. As like fail over right so if you don't have a satellite signal but you have a cellular signal or vice versa, um, you know these days people are so used to being connected they don't want to be without it so there's a lot of applications where they'll they'll use them together but Jeff can get into the, the technology more and the differences on those too. Yeah, so I mean the the Starlink um is a unique program where it's designed. They have thousands of satellites orbiting around the Earth. They're constantly moving in groups of 50, 60 plus satellites.

They're in what's called a low Earth orbit. It's meant to give you that reception, so the alternate reception at that lower orbit is designed to give you high speed internet. Um, it's still they have pay as you go programs that are similar. It's designed to be, you know, accessible in rural areas wherever you have access to the sky, you can normally get Starlink. Um, it's designed to be as plug and play as possible as like the uh the uh the dish TV set up here.

Um, comparability wise, um, our, our next closest product to Starlink as far as speeds would be concerned would be like the uh the Travel 5 XTR Pro 5G. We can get comparable speeds to Starlink and uh you know you're still able to connect to different networks whereas Starlink you're just stuck on Starlink. If you don't have access to the sky or something's blocking your your your vision to the sky where the satellites are, you know, we have that cellular option that will still work, you know, if you don't have direct line of sight, um, so we're, we're on parallel as far as speeds. It's just the difference is one satellite technology, one cellular base, but we're at the point where we have 5G technology and we can really compete and give you an edge in either case, and I think the biggest thing now you guys do sell out for the Starlink at this point and, but the, you know, the biggest thing that I have seen is it's a price point pretty much, you know, I mean if you have to have that downloadable stuff, you all, you know. Not everything is designed for everybody, um, but I think, you know, so you have to decide and then one of the questions that came in here is Sheryl says I'm confused.

Do I need Travel Fire? Do I need Wally Dih? And you know there that is confusing, you know what, what is streaming? What is, you know, I mean, I, I still try to every time I try to explain stuff I go back to my dad. And uh who, who is still kind of going, what do you mean uh streaming what's, you know, so the difference is, is that, you know, the playmaker here, the WE system.

Is designed for dish network satellite, and they have their own programming and you can get a package that has all these different programs and it's high quality stuff. It's not internet, yeah, you know it exactly and that that's the main question we get all the time is does this also do internet, which it does not. I mean it really depends on like I said, your, your viewing needs. Um, you know, I love the days of being able to like look and see what is on and what do I wanna watch, you know, I get that analysis paralysis where I'm like I have 18 streaming channels to look at and I don't know what to pick, so I just pick nothing, um, you know, so if you want access to all those, like I said with kids situations like someone needs Disney Plus, someone needs this, all those things, yeah, streaming's great because you, you know, have all these, but that's how many just you know, different subscriptions right? like.

Uh, most people have anywhere from 5 to 10 these days, you know, this is one pay as you go program. You can say I want this package for 30 days. It has a lot of the stuff that you're looking for, um, you know, obviously you can look at certain channels and find what packages those those are in, but, um, it takes a lot of guessing out of like what should I watch today. Well, that's where the overlap comes in, you know, when you start talking about internet versus satellite, you know this is for watching TV, you know this you cannot check your emails. You cannot search the web, you know, can't Google search with this this.

Gives you internet and that's where it gets confusing is that I can check my emails I can Google search things I can watch YouTube. But I can also then go in and get these programs that now the overlap is I can do Hulu which has television shows and I can get EPN ESPN Plus and I can get 1000 other ones out there and now Prime and all the confusion and that's yeah and that's where you know it it if you didn't grow up with this stuff, you know, it starts to go well what do you mean I can get TV with that? Well, I can stream. What is streaming? And I think if you pull out that into your.

Point like go back to, you know, those of us who grew up a little differently, right, and didn't have all this streaming option, right? It was you had a cell phone or, or excuse me, telephone provider, right? And then you had a cable provider and it's very similar to those things. I go, I go back further than that. I get that.

I'm not gonna date anybody, but yeah, those two go together, you know, for a lot of us is like, yep, we had our dial up internet that went through our phone system. Nobody could answer the phone or talk on the phone for however. Long, but it's kind of those two things like this is what you're allowed to do on the Internet side of things. This is the TV there is that crossover with that streaming. I think that's why it's so confusing but I would say like what are you looking to do more of like what is the main thing that you want out of it if it's premium television that's always available, that's all HD like that kind of stuff?

Dish Outdoors is a great set up if you're looking more like I want my, you know, computer and my laptop I need to stay connected. Yeah, we'll stream some shows as well like, you know, that's an internet, but there's also an application like I said, for both, um, people like want their home experience on the road now. Those two offer that whole home experience. When I grew up, I used to have to get up and walk clear across the room to change the channel. 3 of them, 3 channels is all we had.

But my dad did have the very first wireless, uh, remote control, yeah, in in our area it was Dave. Dave, change the channel. OK, all three channels. So it has, it has changed quite a bit. Uh, we have then Karen asks, where do you find your price list and I just had that up, so I will show her that and I think maybe or for product.

I don't know what's both of them are available on the website so if you go to Travelfy.com, you'll be able to see the data plans, um, same thing if you go to dishmyRV.com in terms of the dish, uh, pricing as well, so. The main thing with Travelify is the product is going to be a part of your decision, but at the end of the day it's, you know, you're gonna get multi-network access how much data data are you gonna use? That's really what it comes down to. Obviously there's differences in the products in terms of your use case, but um, once you get past that, the data is the real thing that's gonna get you connected to everything. Well, and if you're looking at price on dish too, then you've got the you sell the.

The receiver here, yep, so we saw the receiver and the antenna or you can bundle them together. Um, what we found a lot of times these days people have antennas. um, they bought an RV with one that kind of thing, as long as it's a dish compatible antenna, and most of them I think there's conversion stuff, um, at this point now, but all you need is a Wy then and then to activate your service. So we're seeing that a lot as well. I mean if you want to go with simplest terms and if you don't want to buy one.

Of these they do have the dish, you know, which is the large metal dish with the with the stand and I see a lot of those out in campgrounds, you know, those are very, very inexpensive, a lot of people already have them for their houses they bought and then they went to cable or internet or something like that. So you know you could use that as long as it's disk compatible and, and come back. But I think if you go on the website you can find the price of not only the equipment but the data plan. that are on there, um, you know, and even, even with this you have different programming levels. You've got a basic that has, yeah, there's like 44 main packages, um, and they, you know, range.

I mean your top packages are gonna give you pretty much every channel that you want if you really want to rough it you get all the channels, yeah, exactly, exactly, and you know that's one thing you gotta decide too is, is everybody's idea of camping is different, you know, some people have. Have 5 TVs and 8 slide rooms and I, you know, I pretty much like to go out that is a bed at the end of the night. So yeah, how long are you out there and who's all with you, you know, like my kids are used to winding down with their show or whatever so you know while we're out all day like that is part of the experience for us that makes everything like home well that's that's what I tell people in my seminars, you know, you have to think about take yourself out of your residential setting. Where you're gonna come home from work, you're gonna eat dinner, you're gonna watch TV you're gonna, you know, follow whatever programs you wanna follow, Yellowstone and all that kind of stuff you need your nightly news or your exactly but then when you go camping, you know, the if, if I go RVing, I'm out sightseeing, I'm out, you know, walking the trails, we're in the mountains, we're doing, you know, different things, and then it's a bed at the end of the night, even, even when we get back to the RV we're out in the patio and I don't need a TV out there, but some people do. Oh, and there's a lot of.

it to support the fact that people are going longer when they have connectivity available, not just TV, but you know, being able to, hey, I can, you know, follow up on these emails or finish a work project or whatever now we're going 7 to 10 days instead of 3 to 5, um, so it, it does offer a lot of convenience even if it's not, you know, the main, uh, so, so Karen did come back and say, uh, she was the one that asked price and she was talking data so that's where that we we just pulled up that data package and then. Um, you know, and a lot of times what I tell people, same thing with solar panels, how many solar panels do I need? How many battery battery pack test it, you know, you, you can upgrade it, you can add to it. This is the same thing if I do 2, yeah, I would get by with 2 gig. That would, that would be easy because I'm gonna check my emails, um, you know, I, I, I might Google search where the, the nearest Walmart is, you know, when I, when I run out of toilet paper.

Like I said, I mean, even 25, like we'll watch shows and they'll be on their tablets and stuff like that and you know that really does last quite a bit of time. And so Karen says thank you. Um, we got Gregory here asks, uh, are any of these products, uh, HIPAA compliant? And I don't even know what that means. So if we're maybe they're talking in a medical terminology I'm assuming I think that just bodes to the privacy network of things, um, yeah, um, I do not believe they would, um, qualify qualify for like I think there's one called PIPS it's the government, um, government mandated, uh, crypto type of, uh, security.

These do not qualify under underneath that, um, for now, um. We just don't offer the devices. Uh, they would be more costly as well. Sure, sure, yeah, it says HIPAA is a, uh, adheres by organizations to the standards set forth by the Health Insurance Portability and Accessibility Act of 1996 and uh. I don't.

I have to do a little bit of research on dish. Dish might because of their size and their market share that question before, but I mean, like I said, I mean, at least on the Travelify side it is a private network, so there is some like security level in that obviously if you're doing remote work there's gonna be different levels of compliancy based on whatever your your employer is asking for but um it's not a specifically certified device in that regard. And uh so we did see here that uh the travel 5 brochure is downloadable if you go into the question um and answer sessions. So with that and like I said, if you missed it before, we've got a data estimator on the site as well that'll help you figure out. At least a ballpark, right?

This is not a perfect science, and you might be lying to yourself about how much you're watching your kids are watching or whatever, but um it'll get you close to what is most ideal and where you should probably start with. Yeah, I, I know I've talked to some people that said, well, I only needed so much and then once they get out they don't realize that, you know, two of the kids are outside. Yeah, great, I only need 2 gigs and it's also like, whoa, wait a minute you, you do, wait a minute, what are you doing out there? So yeah, I just need that. So anything else on the Travel 5 version or um, you know what we're looking at we've got a few minutes left over.

We don't have any, uh, we do have one more question. Greg says, is it, um. Is it for confidential communication between oh it is for confidential communication between patient and therapist. So with that, you know, one of the questions earlier said is it a secure network and so you know I don't, I don't know with HIPAA if it, um, you know, if you have to actually certify it I'm, I'm assuming you do to get the but it is a secure network so it kind of would. It'd be the same as you connecting on your cell phone for like a health service or something like that.

I, I think what he's asking may be more down to the uh the healthcare provider, um, you know, ask, ask them if is is their product secure, what you know, maybe the virtual access program, but that the products themselves, they don't, they don't hold anything except for the uh the type of encryption they use for the Wi Fi and the firewall that's built into them, things along those lines they're not they're holding to other standards. Not necessarily health care. OK, well, and I, I do know that um in my seminars I have, uh, dozens and dozens of people that are going out doing some of them are doing, um, records for hospitals, some of them are mobile nurse travel nurses is a big thing, you know, they'll go to some place for maybe 6 months at a time or less, and, uh, you know, they love it. They're using it like crazy, so, um, we just had another one. Ginger says lots of information and came in late downloaded your brochure.

Thank you. Would you please, would you please say your site address more clearly? So I think um Jessica just put up Ginger in here we got the Travel fight and the dish so Travelfi. Is basically Tray.com. Yeah, so make sure we spell it right.

It's up here, right? There's no e. That's uh something we people come across a lot, but Tray.com and then you can go to dish4Omyrv.com for all of the dish product, OK. And uh one other thing else we had, I think that was it with those. So one more question, said Greg says thank you and.

Download the rest of it. OK, well, um, there will be, um, you know, a guide on the page as well that really gets into pretty much all the questions that you could have about Travelify, um, that you can download, including the data plans and everything like that. So if you missed anything, it's pretty much all on that quick again because I don't think we looked at, uh, there we go. So here are the 5G plans. Yeah, great, um, great option.

And I, you know, getting back to 5G versus 4G, you know, one of the things that Um, you find is that 5G is kind of a hot button, right, you think you need that everywhere, and I think that's probably one of the most frequently asked questions we get is, you know, is that the best one? Do I need that? Most applications, the 4G is just perfectly fine for everything that you need. There are, I think, and Jeff can talk to more circumstances where that 5G is going to give you the edge and the, um, environment and connectivity that you're used to and maybe require with work or whatever, yeah. I mean, just due to the technology itself, the, the modem inside the device is, is top tier.

It's already cutting edge. Even if you don't have 5G service, it'll fail over to 4G. So if you happen to be in an area that just isn't great for 5G or it hasn't been built out yet, it still falls over to 4G, so you're not going to be completely disconnected. And even on 4G with the fact that you have a 5G rated modem in that in that router, it's gonna give you the best speeds possible that the 4G network can deliver. So you're you're already at an advantage there too.

So if you go to the 5G device. It fails over, you still get the highest speeds possible on 4G so it's really nice. I mean, again, 5G isn't everywhere, um, but when you can get it, it's amazing. I mean it's, it's super quick, the low latency for gaming, things like that, that's, you know, hundreds of devices. I mean that our 5G offering can support 128 people over Wi Fi alone and if you have a good connection.

The top speed that we offer, uh, 200 megabits per second is, is huge. It's almost like a home connection, so it's, it's pretty, pretty great technology, yeah, absolutely, and that's where the different pricing comes in just like you had up there, um, it is a little bit higher. And the thing to note too is that the 5G plans are automatically unlimited, so there's no worries whether you pick the, the basic plan or the, the top plan, you're unlimited. Data, nothing to worry about, but it still pays your bill if you want and I think too, you know, you, you look at the questions we've got there are some that are just barely getting into it, asking what's what is a hotspot, you know, and then you get some people that wanna know, you know, basics. I a lot of the people in my seminars, they've already gone out and tried it.

They've already, they already know they have to have unlimited. They know they have to have certain things. Um, you know, I, I get back to my dad and when we tried to watch the, the game and it was buffering really bad with what he has, and I brought one of these in. We still went 4G. We still were able to watch.

ESPN Plus does some of their games with 4 4K, which is the highest definition. And we still were able to watch it where before it was buffering and we were kind of wondering, you know, we're only getting like 14 megabyte download and you know when I called the company that provides their wireless internet, they said, well, you should still be able to get a signal with that. What were you watching? I said, ESPN Plus, OK, 4K, and uh, he says, then, then that's where you, you get into trouble. I brought this in with 4G and we're still able to watch on ESPN Plus a diff you know, a different night.

And uh you know it was it was pretty amazing. I was gonna bring in one of the routers and uh and um boosters and help everyone out there, right? Well, no, the guy, the the technician from the company that provides this stuff, he goes, you bring that in, you're gonna shut down the entire building. He's in assisted care, and I thought that might not be a good idea to do that because it cuts the signal and, and brings it down. OK, I won't do that.

Yeah, so let's check, yeah, a lot of great, like, you know, like I said video options still like I said, this is still the premium like video provider you're gonna get that, you know, HDTV that's another thing that's sometimes missed, um, is that you're always gonna get that like high quality, you know, non buffering, you know, even with some of the streaming apps depending on where you are sometimes you know you'll run into that but um again what's more. Important, you know, like making sure you have your news or your basketball or whatever, um, or having the connectivity. Ginger just said thank you. This is really timely. I have something installed and was wondering how to unscramble this.

Well hopefully we've helped untie that just a little bit. Well, and I, I that we brought up one more, uh, point that I just wanted to have you touch base on. You know, in the news there was, uh, Dish Network was, was supposed to be bought out by DIRECTV and they were talking about the fact that, you know, they have debt and they've suddenly there's some confusion about, you know, what is the status of Dish today that fell through the DRETV is not gonna buy them at least at this point. Touch base a little bit on, on that, uh, yeah, um, I mean that's a lot of what you know what we know and like what is absolutely true out there and I think, you know, even when there was discussion, I think one. One thing that was very comforting to me is that this is an RV product and we're the only ones that have that so you know if DirecTV even came in you know they've not had the same competitive you know product that that dish has provided um they're still the only one that has this specific technology with HD with, you know, the type of programming options and things like that so um I wasn't too worried about where the RV market uh aspect was gonna go um they're still very alive and well and.

You know, pushing forward with this and they're gonna continue to offer this service, um, and, and on both things, you know, to say that Pace offers a call center that uh addresses both of these products. So, um, our technicians and and sales people know DSH they know Travelify they know the RV space and that's the most important thing is, you know, you call anyone at a a general call center you're gonna get so much more confused, um, but they know, you know, what's in your RV and how things normally connect and where, you know, things are happening, so, um, it's definitely. An advantage to have an RV specialist be able to answer those questions and, and I also talked to one of the technicians that worked for Dish used to work for Wingguard and uh just asked him, you know, what, what is the state of affairs and so forth. He says we are a very large company, uh, we are solid into the industry and you know everybody's looking for buyers at different times and he said it's just part of doing business and that, uh, you know, we will be around and we will support the product and it's uh and you know you support the product on the RV. they'll be they'll be around and it to me it's one of the the better ones uh I think there's is there what 2 satellites in the west and 3 satellites in the east so it's, it's basically 2 for 2 now.

OK, OK, they've been rearranging their networks, uh, uh, they had some lease satellites to let go of, so they, they didn't resume the lease on them and now they're just, they're, um, moved all the channels on to like 110, 119 for the west and 615 and and uh 72. Although it might just be 615 for the east, but uh they're consolidating the moving things around, uh, they're offering more streaming options. Um, they actually believe it or not, they're still planning to launch another satellite, so I mean they're, they're still cooking. Well, the reason I bring that up is that depending on the part of the country you're in, you're not relying on one satellite that's over here. You've got, you know, you've got some flexibility and that's why I think you have better re not reception but you know, better connectivity by having a, you know, an option.

Um, if I'm on the east coast, I'm trying to get something that, you know, line of sight that's on the west coast, and that's, that's a challenge and with both, you know, products they've got automatic automatic, you know, signal finder within the antenna, and then the automation for finding whatever best network it is, um, which makes it foolproof like right like I wouldn't even know what to think or you know how to switch things like that, but it makes it really easy for the user, um, to not have to know much about technology other than how to plug things in together. All right, so Sherry says thank you, great, um. Quite informative and Joe said, hi Bob, have a great trip. OK, it's having, having a trip. Well, I think we we have no more questions and so our time is just about up.

Beth and Jeff, I appreciate you coming out. Thank you. Hopefully you guys got some great information on connectivity, um, you know, there's options to do just about anything you wanna do out in the market. Any last words? We're excited to help everyone connect and obviously like getting out there is so much fun and so important to people these days.

It offers a lot of. Uh, tranquility for all of us that have been stuck inside for a long time, but, um, either way we want to keep moving forward and help you stay connected. Well, I, I think too right now is kind of a fun time in the market because you know when COVID hit and everybody was buying, we had 625,000 units were sold and the. Parks were full. The campgrounds were full.

You couldn't get into a national park campground unless you were on that one second where everything was open. And now people are going back to work, kids are going back to school. We're seeing, it's a lot easier to get out, um, a lot easier to go into campgrounds and. And with that, you know, connectivity is, is big whether you wanna watch TV or not, you still wanna check your emails, you wanna check your finances, your banking. I, I remember when I first went out before all this, one of my friends and I had just started at Winnebago and traveled for 5 years.

He goes, Well, when do you have time to do your banking? I'm like. When I go to the ATM machine and get my $2 that was about it. So anyway, appreciate everybody joining us. Uh, hopefully we had some great information for you.

This is being recorded. If you do have questions, uh, we can follow up with those. Thank you for joining us and have a safe RV summer.